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The Inclusiveness of Jesus It’s true that the inclusiveness of Jesus was extraordinary. Unlike his religious contemporaries, Jesus included among his followers those who were generally excluded from religious life, if not polite society, people such as tax-collectors, “sinners,” lepers, and women. Yet, the inclusiveness of Jesus was not of the “come as you are” sort. Jesus offered new, transformed life in the kingdom of God, not acceptance of all people as they were in their broken, sinful state.

Would Jesus Do That? Christians often defend their worldly behavior and their association with those involved in that which is forbidden by Scripture by claiming that Jesus Christ would associate with the lifestyles and behaviors of the unsaved if He were walking the earth today. Often, Fundamentalists are accused of being "holier-than-thou" because they refuse to attend Christian rock concerts, nightclubs or bars.

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Introduction
A Christian Band?
POD and Ozzfest
POD and Korn and Rage Against the Machine
POD and Marilyn Manson
POD  And Carlos Santana
POD and Jimi Hendrix
POD and Iron Maiden
P.O.D and Rastafarianism
POD and "Little Nicky

 

Introduction: Contemporary Christian Music’s latest heavily tattooed "rock-gods" are a very popular group with young Christians. Their album Fundamental Elements of Southtown (released Aug. 24, 1999) went platinum (sold a million copies) in two years. Their recent album Satellite (released Sept. 11, 2001) went platinum in just four weeks.

A fairly recent (May. 05, 2002) Time Magazine article called When God Is Cool said

    “...Christian bands like P.O.D. have learned much from their secular brethren about selling themselves and their message. In look and attitude they are often indistinguishable from secular bands. P.O.D. even played on Saturday Night Live last month. "Kids have so many choices that when they buy something, it has to hit them on numerous levels," says Ron Shapiro, co-president of Atlantic Records, P.O.D.'s distributor. "It's about the music and the message." A typical P.O.D. lyric is pointed but tries to avoid religious cliche: "Commit my life to rebirth, well respected, 'cause that's my word/I'm sure you heard, about a new sound going around."

Apart from the fact that I have no clue as to what P.O.D’s. lyric are supposed to mean, it is interesting to know whether Time Magazine’s portrayal of POD as being “indistinguishable from secular bands” is accurate, or the writings of a very liberal magazine.
 

A Christian Band?
P.O.D is universally accepted as a ‘Christian’ group. Yet in their own words..pod_satan

This is an an excerpt from a recent (March 24, 2008) interview with New Zealand’s Jet Magazine after the groups trip to Wellington.

    Are you guys a ‘christian rock’ band or what ?

    People identify us with that, and I’m not ashamed of it, but I do object to the fact that a lot of people think that’s solely what POD is about. We’re not out trying to like spiritualise people or anything. We’re just POD man. We seem to get shit from both sides of the fence! I mean, I’m personally a spiritual person, and people have seized on that so now we find that we’re having to be all things for everyone. [1]

And some older comments... All Emphasis added

    “…Just because P.O.D. are a spiritual band doesn’t mean we adhere to any one religion, and all kinds of people want to use us as a symbol for their thing. There’s a thousand different definitions of what a Christian is, but we don’t feel like there are any lines." [2]

    "I mean, we are Christian, but we’re not out preaching to everybody. That was never our agenda. We just play rock and roll, dude. . . We’re not religious or anything. It’s no big deal. ... [3]

    "Our faith plays a lot in our personal lives, but we're a rock-and-roll band. This album is about rock and roll, and that's it." [4].

    I don't even like saying I'm a Christian sometimes because it leaves such a bad taste in people's mouths." Sonny, P.O.D. [5]

(An interesting contrast when you compare them to the early Christians and Apostles sooner gave up their lives than deny the risen Christ. I am sure that the claiming of Christ often left a bad taste in the mouth of the pagan leaders of the time, to the extent that many of the new believers were brutally slaughtered … and yet never once did they deny their Lord or hold their peace, simply because what they were proclaiming was unpopular. How easy it would have been for Stephen to simply say “I don’t have to say I am a Christian, since it is leaving a bad taste in the mouths of these leaders” and lived. Maybe Stephen was more mindful of the words of Christ in Matthew 10:33 “But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.”)

    Q: Are you or are you not a Christian band?
    A: We’re not, but we do believe in Jesus. We don’t mention Jesus in our songs, though. . ." [6] Emphasis added.

Christian Rock fans, CCM and some of the rock groups themselves talk of reaching people for Jesus. This is kind of hard to do when His name isn’t even mentioned. In fact P.O.D.’s album "Fundamental Elements of Southtown" which contains 16 songs doesn’t mention the name of Jesus Christ even once. And yet ….

    "The blatant Christian themes on their first mainstream label release, The Fundamental Elements of Southtown, are proof enough that regardless of the record label they are on, P.O.D. intends to be the hard-hitting Gospel-spreading band they are reputed to be." [7]

However Rolling Stone had a more truthful comment.. [Emphasis Added]

    "Unlike many Christian bands, P.O.D. do not wear their faith on their sleeves. "Outkast," the particular song Wuv is talking about, doesn't exactly spell their faith out or openly urge listeners to repent. Such is the case with most of the tracks on P.O.D.'s debut album, The Fundamental Elements of Southtown. It would probably never dawn on an unadvised listener that the band follows God." [8]

    "We didn’t even go to church, you know what I mean? We found God in our hearts and in our lives, period. We pick up the Bible when we have time, we read it, and what God does in our life, that’s what he does." [9]

    "We don't fit in with the conservative values of Christian America." [10]

    "We believe that Jesus was the first rebel. He was the first punk rocker going against all the rest of it" [11]

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Phil. 2:8.

    "If it’s sex and rock and roll that inspires you and that’s what you want to sing about, then cool." Wuv of P.O.D. [12] [TOP OF PAGE]

     

P.O.D. and Ozzfest
(See Ozzfest 2000)  I have been recently told by a defender of Christian Rock that they are ‘glad’ that POD performed at Ozzfest. That Jesus commanded  us to go to the lost and that POD was the ONLY light in a very lost environment. All of which would be true IF POD, knowing that most of the people there were very lost indeed, made a very clear cut presentation of the Gospel, which they did not. Lyrics which are vaguely Christian will not do anything to save souls. On the contrary there was little to distinguish P.O.D. from the other groups. (Ozzfest.. has taken everything that Bible condemns to a whole new level and is a festival that advertises itself by claiming to have given hell a sound track; one might argue that POD had in fact contributed to the self advertised “soundtrack to hell”).

To believe for a second that any influence that POD might have had at the fest, was not overwhelmed by the outweighing effect of the numerous other groups is naive at best. I am sure it could be argued that God can do anything in any atmosphere and while that is definitely a fact, it also remains a fact that Ozzfest played as scheduled without any repentance, saving of souls or revival brought on by the presence of POD. Their influence on the proceedings was insignificant... if it existed at all..

Actually I take that back. POD by its mere presence brought two things to the Ozzfest, that otherwise would never have happened. First it brought a host of young Christian fans into an environment charged with passion, sexual explicitness and full of commendation for things like drugs, violence and satanistic ritual. Second POD’s playing at Ozzfest brought “Christian” approval to the a festival that can only be described as a modern day eulogy to Sodom and Gomorrah.

In any case POD’s comments about Ozzfest do not show that they were there to be a ‘light’ in any way.

    G1- P.O.D. is known for its religious beliefs, and Ozzfest can easily be viewed as a debauchery— you know, sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. Is there a conflict of interest?
    MC- Yeah, but we're not necessarily a Christian band. We are, to an extent, a rock band that loves God, and we're not ashamed of that." [13]

    Shoutweb: Tell me about Ozzfest.
    Sonny: We can’t wait. We’re fans of a lot of the bands on there. [14]

    "We are like friends with everybody on Ozzfest" [15]

    "It’s an honor to be on Ozzfest with somebody that has the foundation, the background that Ozzy does." Sonny, [16]

    G1- How stoked are you about Ozzfest?
    MC- I'm totally stoked. We always dreamed about being on that tour, and now we're on the main stage. [17]

    "GW- You guys played Ozzfest in 2000. What was it like playing on the same bill as some of the darker heavy metal acts?
    SANDOVAL- The difference between us and a lot of them is we have no gimmicks. . . But it’s cool to do these shows, ‘cause we get to meet and hang out with a lot of people we respect." Sonny, P.O.D. [18]

An advertisement for the soundtrack from Ozzfest reads: "NOW HELL HAS A SOUNDTRACK". (See Poster). Ozzy is the former lead singer for Black Sabbath. One of their albums, is truthfully titled, "We Sold Our Soul for Rock 'n Roll". Their song N.I.B. (Nativity In Black) is one of the most openly satanic songs ever recorded.

This is a comment from a Christian P.O.D. fan.

    “…..Shouting about Jesus from the stage generally does not go over well in a crowd full of people wearing pentagrams and smoking pot." [19]

    "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."  Matthew 7:6.  [TOP OF PAGE]
     


P.O.D. and Korn and Rage Against the Machine:
(See Picture of ‘Rage’ Bassist) (See Korn’s Album Cover)

    HP: You’ve been compared to bands ranging from Korn to Rage Against the Machine. Do such comparisons please you?
    Sonny: "I think anytime you’re compared to a great band you’ve got to take it as a compliment. . . we love what they’re doing." Sonny, P.O.D. [20]
    [TOP OF PAGE]

     

P.O.D. and Marilyn Manson:
When Manson, an ordained Satanic priest, whose self-professed ambition is to "destroy Christianity" put together a compilation album of satanism, blasphemy, vulgarity and perversion, for the movie "Book of Shadows Blair Witch 2", Manson chose Christian rockers P.O.D. and Project 86! Why would he include a P.O.D. track? At best, he sees no harm (to paganism/Satanism) in it; at worst, he thinks it will benefit him or his causes. Whatever the case, the ‘Christian’ groups are certainly no threat to him considering the lyrics of ‘Lie Down’, which is P.O.D.’s song on the Blair Witch album. (Also see cover of Manson’s ‘Antichrist’ album)

I lie down, I sleep, when I wake, sustain me
Outkast blast through deception, the tension, your mind collapse
Relapse, the stress of matter, when I shatter like glass
The never seen, the never heard style we bring forth,
Can't ignore, the Four, ripp'n straight when I take your Title,
self, X it out like homicidal
It's vital, to make my flesh be suicidal
We tribal, sing with the Saints, let our spirits fly
Hold down the strong with the power Jah has given I. . .
I lie down, I sleep, when I wake, sustain me

P.O.D.’s comment on Marilyn Manson and the Blair project….

    "I don’t wanna dog the guy or say anything that’ll cause chaos.". [21]

    "A lot of times people don’t agree with what we do—‘Why are you on the Blair Witch soundtrack?’ he [Sonny] interrupts himself, mimicking a disappointed inquisitor. ‘Dude, they asked us to put our song with their music. That’s like the devil coming up to the church and asking can he put one of their praise songs on his soundtrack. Why would the church say no?’. [22]

And from a March 24, 2008 interview with New Zealand’s Jet Magazine. [Misspellings in original].

    I ran into some really full-on ranting online from various Christian sites, acusing you of things like colaboration with the devil because you played a show with Marilyn Manson.... How do you fel about that ?

    These people are lost in the dark man. That’s just not the real world, I mean I’m around non-christians all the time! People I love are not Christians. I’m here to love people man, to love people who aren’t like me, not to just develop a cute little club with my Christian friends. It’s ridiculous. I don’t know if it angers me so much, it’s just kinda pathetic. [23]

"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" Amos 3:3. [TOP OF PAGE]

 

P.O.D. and MTV’s "The Return of the Rock"
The name “The Return of The Rock” is a travesty of the Lord Jesus’ second coming. A fact that is all the more obvious considering the cover features a female devil, complete with horns, tail and a see through blouse thrown in for good measure.

Some of the other performers on "The Return of the Rock" are

Kid Rock who mocks the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and puts God in a jar: (song "Abortion")

    We are a part of
    The second coming of Christ
    Its god himself in a jar.

Slipknot singing "Spit it Out", with unprintable lyrics.

    Slipknot’s stage set is a Vegas-style take on Hell, saturated with satanic symbols, such as, three enormous, Kiss-style flashing 666 signs, two satanic pentagrams, and even a severed goat’s head. [24] 

    "Slipknot are a platinum selling metal band from Des Moines, Iowa, infamous for tossing feces (their own), drinking urine (also their own), lighting one another on fire and breaking one another’s bones in concert." [25]

Slipknot’s song ‘Disasterpiece’ begins with

     "I want to slit your throat and f--- the wound…"

    "Christianity is a f---ing blight on humanity. There is nothing sicker that this world has ever seen than organized religion." [26]

Corey Taylor, of the group Slipknot, also owns Wasted Ink, which sells blasphemous, anti-christ t-shirts with messages such as: "god is just another know-it-all as-----, "I’ve been denied three times. Does that make me a saviour?", etc.  [TOP OF PAGE]
 

P.O.D. And Carlos Santana.
"I would have to say a major influence for me growing up would be Carlos Santana. . . he was a great inspiration to me. . . I grew up on - "Black Magic Woman" and all that other stuff - is what really moved me." [27]

Carlos Santana regularly communicates with demonic spirits and readily admits "Supernatural" was "dictated" by a "supernatural" demonic spirit named Metatron.

    "A card with the word Metatron spelled out in intricately painted letters lies on the floor next to the fireplace. Metatron is an angel. Santana has been in regular contact with him since 1994. . .He has a yellow legal pad at one side, ready for the communications that will come. ‘It’s kind of like a fax machine,’ he says." [28].

    Q: "So is ‘Supernatural’ made on the lobotomy principle?
    A: Yes. My instructions before I started this CD were: Be patient, gracious and grateful. My instructions from Metatron. There’s an invisible radio that Jimi Hendrix and Coltrane tuned in to, and when you go there you start channeling this other music." [29]

Metatron is also the name of the angel that Satanist Aleister Crowley communicated with. (Rabinnic tradition insists Metatron is the greatest archangel of all. In the Talmud and Targum, Metatron is the direct link between God and humanity and was once the patriarch Enoch, who was transformed into this angel) More on Carlos Santana [TOP OF PAGE]

 

P.O.D. and Jimi Hendrix.
(Hendrix inspired P.O.D. to write their album Satellite:)

    "I was influenced heavily by Jimi Hendrix and was inspired by him to write this new record." [30]

Jimi Hendrix, among rock’s most influential guitarists, was deeply absorbed in the occult, witchcraft, drug usage and mysticism. Jimi believed his music was "spiritual worship" and referred to it as the "Electric Church".

After many years of heavy hallucinogenic drugs and occult activity, Hendrix became totally possessed by evil spirits — and he knew it. (See Details)

 

P.O.D. and Iron Maiden
"We played with Iron Maiden in Holland. That was cool." Wuv, P.O.D. [31] (See Cover of Iron Maiden Album). [TOP OF PAGE]

     

P.O.D and Rastafarianism
HM (formerly Heaven's Metal, now Hard Music) Magazine did a cover story of P.O.D. titled "The Most Important Rock Band Today" (HM Sep/Oct 2001). Again, a picture of Rasta "Jesus" is displayed in the article. The article praises P.O.D.'s inclusion of the false religion Rasta preachers/singers HR and Eek-A-Mouse on their Satellite album.

    "Even before P.O.D. ruffled feathers by joining Ozzfest, the group caught flax from the Christian community for its controversial stage backdrop, which featured a Rasta-like image of Jesus." [32]

    CCM Magazine carried a cover story on P.O.D. titled "You've Got Questions, They've Got Answers" (CCM January 2001). In the article, CCM Magazine displays a large, color, picture of P.O.D. Rastafarian "Jesus"!

    "And they [Rastas] believe in Jesus Christ just like we do. . ." [33]
     

"On the subject of reincarnation the Rastafarians have a unique teaching akin to Hinduism. They believe that God revealed himself many ages ago in various forms. To the Hebrews, God revealed himself in the person of Moses, who was the first avatar or savior . . .The second avatar was Elijah, . . . The third avatar was Jesus Christ,. . . Now the advent of Ras Tafari is the climax of God's revelation." [34]

"The early Nyabinghi Rasta believed the Babylonian 'Jesus' to be a false god, and Haile Selassie to represent the coming of the Messiah." [35]

"The growth of the Rastafarian movement from the late 1970s to 1981 was largely due to the charismatic personality of Robert Nesta Marley [Bob Marley]. . . some have even called him the Charles Wesley of Rastafarianism ." [36]

In Marley’s "Get Up, Stand Up", which is a rallying cry for Rastafarianism, he calls Dying and going to Heaven “bull…”.

    We sick an' tired of your bulls--- game,
    Die and go to heaven in Jesus name.
    We know when we understand:
    Almighty God is a living man.
    You can fool some people sometimes,
    But you can't fool all the people all the time.
    And now we’ve seen the light (What you gonna do?),
    We gonna stand up for our rights! (Yeah, yeah, yeah!).

Yet P.O.D. Has this to say…

    "There are a lot of different types of music that we listen to.....I mean, there's a lot of Reggae music that I like. If you listen to a lot of Reggae music, 99% of it is scripture. If you listen to a lot of Bob Marley's music, most of it is scripture straight from the word." Sonny Scandoval, P.O.D singer. Guitar Legends, No. 37. [TOP OF PAGE]

     

P.O.D. and "Little Nicky
In the movie "Little Nicky" Satan decides to retire, and his three sons, one of which is good "Little Nicky", battle for hell’s dominion. P.O.D. not only is on the soundtrack, but they also appear in the movie along with  Ozzy Osbourne!

    "There are at least 666 reasons for teens to avoid Little Nicky (PG-13). Twisted sexual humor. Near nudity. Violence. Graphic language. Marijuana use. Bathroom jokes. In other words, it’s a typical Sandler comedy. But this time he includes a dose of warped theology. Here, hell is a place of eternal torment created by grandpa Lucifer with punishments to match a person’s antisocial acts. . .

    ...The film trivializes God and mocks people of faith, be they in pulpits, pews or on street corners. As ‘good’ demons battle bad, Christians are marginalized fanatics, hypocrites or vessels for demon possession. . . .

    ...Little Nicky is perverse. It’s also misleading in the way it flirts with concepts of heaven while making fire and brimstone seem cool." [37]

Incidently you can go to the Little Nicky web site and see how to "Send A Friend to Hell"! [TOP OF PAGE]

 

End Notes

[1] http://www.jetmag.co.nz/tabid/415/Default.aspx

[2]WUV. Rolling Stone, Dec. 14-21, 2000, p. 102

[3]Wuv, P.O.D. (Drum!, Sept.-Oct. 2001, p. 86

[4]Wuv, P.O.D (AP, Nov. 2001, p. 59

[5]Spin Mag, October 2001, p. 88

[6] www.movieline.com, 11.00.1999

[7] Val Sutton, HM Magazine – Cover Story, Sept/Oct 1999

[8]Rolling Stone, Jesus Is Just Alright for P.O.D. February 25, 2000

[9]Traa of P.O.D. http://www.mtv.com/nav/bandframeset.jhtml?bandmenu1=&bandmenu2=&bandmenu3=pod

[10] Sonny, P.O.D. (Spin Mag, October 2001, p. 88

[11]Sonny, P.O.D. http://www.shoutweb.com/interviews/pod0700.phtml

[12]http://www.mtv.com/nav/bandframeset.jhtml?bandmenu1=&bandmenu2=&bandmenu3=pod

[13]Interview with Guitar One, http://www.angelfire.com/rock/PODoutkast

[14]http://www.shoutweb.com/interviews/pod0700.phtml

[15]http://www.talkcity.com/transcripts/ARTISTdirect/8-24-2000.1-1.htmpl

[16] Metal Edge, Oct 2000, p. 31

[17]Marcos. Interview with Guitar One, http://www.angelfire.com/rock/PODoutkast/

[18]Guitar World, Nov. 2001, p. 104

[19]http://www.strangerthingsmag.com/ozzfest.html

[20]Hit Parader, Oct 2000, p. 45

[21] Sonny. Rolling Stone, March 30, 2000 p. 31

[22]Sonny, P.O.D. CCM, January 2001, p. 29

[23]http://www.jetmag.co.nz/tabid/415/Default.aspx

[24]Guitar World Aug 2001, p. 74

[25] Rolling Stone, July 6-20, 2000, p. 76

[26]Mick Thomson, guitarist for Slipknot Rolling Stone, Oct. 11, 2001, p.58

[27]Marcos, P.O.D. (Interview with Guitar One, www.angelfire.com/rock/PODoutkast

[28]Rolling Stone, March 16, 2000, p. 41

[29]Carlos Santana. Rolling Stone, March 16, 2000 p. 87

[30]Marcos Curiel, P.O.D. (Guitar World, Sept 2001, p. 67)

[31] Guitar World, Nov. 2001, p. 104

[32]Guitar World, Oct 2000, p. 100

[33]Sonny, P.O.D. (Guitar World, Nov. 2001, p. 57).

[34]Barret, Leonard E., The Rastafarians, p. 112

[35]Don Taylor, Marley and Me, p. 246

[36]Barret, Leonard E., The Rastafarians, p. 213

[37]Bob Smithouser, Little Nicky, Plugged In, 10/20/2000, www.family.org/pplace/pi/films/A0013694.html

 

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